Thursday, 16 October 2014

Thoughts on Edge of Tomorrow




18 comments:

  1. The only thing that I hated about the helicopter scene is that her very
    next question should have been "so, the helicopter gets destroyed in the
    process?"
    Because if it did, even her noble sacrifice makes no sense whatsoever.

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  2. Tom Cruise can't go back to the battlefield to get the Alphas power back because a large amount of time has already passed trying to get the macguffin and passing out and waking up in the hospital.

    The Alpha is more than likely on an entirely different point of the battle by then.

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  3. Exactly what I was thinking. Adam you should annotate this point to your YouTube video because it's a glaring flaw in your otherwise on-point critique.

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  4. I *knew* in the theater that if I actually thought about this movie on a script level it would all fall apart. I had no idea it would collapse *this* badly, though.

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  5. However, there is a pretty simple explanation as to why the Omega doesn't have the Alphas kill themselves. They're all part of one organism, at least on a cognitive level, correct? The capacity to commit intentional suicide or self-harm is a pretty rare trait among organisms on the planet Earth. Why should we assume the Omega, which is from god knows where, has the necessary neural architecture to override its own instincts against self-harm? Especially since humans may well be the only species for which this blood transfer has ever been possible, in which case relying on the alphas to be killed by the defenders would work perfectly on every other world they've invaded.

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  6. But this on its own still doesn't explain how they could try to get away with having it both ways on whether it retains information or not when the day is reset.

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  7. It's possible that the knowledge that the alphas reset the day was gleaned by the scientist from one of their corpses from the Battle of Verdun. One would assume that a biological mechanism complicated enough to permit *time travel* would stick out like a sore thumb at an autopsy.

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  8. While her actions are illogical, there could be a simple explanation to this. Maybe she rebelled against her fate to be killed. It's an irrational thought, but even the most rational people sometimes do irrational things just to say "fuck you" to the world. All in all, weak explanation, but could be plausible.

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  9. Also, to successfully fly the helicopter later without her, he finds and kills the alien mimic before taking off. Okay, cool... why didn't he do that with her? Did she die on the way there somehow? Did she fall out of the helicopter?

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  10. Look, this movie is getting the praise its getting is because it is a solid action movie. That in itself puts it heads and shoulders above most other blockbuster movies. No one is comparing this to Citizen Kane. People don't always want to see a good movie first, sometimes they want to see an action movie, and it's rare to find one that doesn't insult your intelligence. This is a real popcorn movie, not those Roland Emmerich piles of shit. Some logical issues are alright to accept when the creativity, emotional connection, and fun are unprecedented for this type of film.

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  11. Frode Thorsen Børseth20 October 2014 at 17:03

    I think most of the confusion in this review comes from the time travel aspect (of course). I thought the movie "made sense" from my standpoint, which didn't seem to line up with the one presented in this review. So I'll give a shot at, er, explaining.

    I understood the time travel as an alternate timeline splitting out, in which the organism (Alpha, Tom Cruise, whatever) still remembers why it died. This means there would still be a timeline continuing on as if the organism never sent any consciousness back in time. However, that is be the timeline we followed in this movie. In the movie we follow the timeline in which Tom Cruise gets the ability to rewind time upon death.

    If an Alpha dies, the Omega makes sure that its consciousness gets sent back in time. The Alpha has a good connection with the Omega, and so when the dead consciousness arrives in its younger body, this information gets shared with the Omega.

    Tom Cruise had a pretty poor connection with the Omega. Very little information was ever shared between the two parties, but his consciousness was coupled with the Omega during his first death in such a way that the time-rewind reflex was shared with him.

    When Tom Cruise goes back in time, he remembers how he died, but doesn't have the connection with the Omega that lets it get that information. So at first, a new timeline starts out every time Tom Cruise dies, but to the Omega there isn't any difference between any of them. However, as Tom Cruise gets used to his new power, he starts to gain a better connection with the Omega. This is when the visions start. The Omega is then aware of him, but doesn't have control of all his specific knowledge of the battlefield. Also, the Omega relearns this every time Tom Cruise wakes up.

    The Omega can't do anything about Tom Cruise. It cant send an Alpha back in time, because that would only start a new timeline. Meanwhile Tom Cruise would still be kicking its ass in the one in which it is dead. It wouldn't matter if it sent an Alpha back after Tom Cruise died, because his consciousness would then be in a timeline inaccessible to them, in which he would also be kicking ass.

    This doesn't defend the car chase instead of suicide, the lack of will to cooperate even when the woman knew she would die, or some of those other things, but I was very pleased with the movie because of how the timeline stuff made sense to me.

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  12. Frode Thorsen Børseth24 October 2014 at 04:12

    The unnerving thought that comes from this interpretation, which was not at all touched on in the movie, is that there is an infinite number of timelines in which the human race loses. Fortunately there is also an infinite number in which we win.

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  13. It's amazing that when I first started watching yms it was for the fact that Adam seemed to be first time at least in my experience that a critic was fair and impartial to everything he watched and judged it's merits based on proper things like story development characters mood etc but after a few years of reviews I've released after seeing dawn of the planet if the apes and this movie that in reality it mainly comes down to mainstream or Hollywood movies = bad and terrible and independent or foreign flims = amazing and inspired despite the fact Martyrs was one of the biggest piles of shot ive ever seen basically it's a shitty psychological horror flim like the univited with religious imagery and subtext thrown in to make it seem deep and complex I think I finally lost all respect on the maps to the stars review when that movie is very good and I realized that had this been cronenburg before he was mainstream ie around shivers rabid and videodrome era this movie would probably get a 9 Or 10 from Adam but now that cronenburg is mainstream he's now bad now don't get me wrong existenz was a piece of crap that was too similar to videodrome and felt lasy and he's spot on about Lars Von trier in nympomanic but all that aside his opinions are the textbook definition of hipster/pretentious movie critics who consider anything non mainstream to be amazing ie tree of life heavens gate etc but anything Hollywood and mainstream like starship troopers or the thing the orignal to be shit as such it's become so obvious that when I see a review for anything like EOT or otherwise I know before watching it's a 6/10 or less and any independent review or quickie at least an 8 yes Hollywood lacks any orignality now so it's understandable to turn to foreign and independent movies instead but seriously their are some glimmers of hope in some of them and EOT is one of those movies that at least felt somewhat fresh source code comparisons aside and at least tired to be different except that hackneyed ending but seriously being pretentious doesn't make your opinions fact and doesn't make it true that all mainstream is garbage and independent good because 90% of horror movies that I see on now are independent and they are worse than b movies so much so that evil dead looks like Casablanca or citzen Kane in comparison and some of those foreign flims out of japan especially are utter pretentious art house garbage that would make ingmar Bergman puke in his grave so basically your reviews are still fun to watch but I can no longer take them seriously as even ebert rip was less up his own ass and contradictory so you know the real reason yms is because it's not independent or foreign and too mainstream

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  14. Ducking autocorrect

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  15. Jesus Christ man there's a thing called a period. Oh, you're wrong BTW.

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  16. I'm almost certain you put more thought into the script than the writers did.

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  17. it was a very enjoyable action-move... but it didn't take advantage of it's unique ideas... quite sad.

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  18. Herbert Jackson23 May 2015 at 07:45

    I always figured that him getting the alpha blood meant that the alpha was replaced by him, meaning that the alpha does not exist after that initial reset. Similar for when he gets the omega power, I figured he replaces the omega, and therefore it is no longer there. Does that not make sense? You never see that first alpha again after its blood gets into Tom Cruise's system.

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